The Bible is no book of iniquity, Christianity it is not a mystical religion, like catolics (RCC) claim, and like their ‘christianity’ is, regarding the doctrine of the Trinity, that they argue we can not understand it, only accept it. If we are not able to understand it, with the help of the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ in Spirit, from His spiritual presence here from his heavenly domain), than there is something wrong.
Come let us reason together.
«7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.» – 2 Timothy 1:7
We should NOT have fear of thinking with a sound mind different than the Popes and the Nicean Council. If we don’t we will not have a ‘sound mind’, we will only adopt their mind. We aspire to love the Truth, and nothing but the truth, love God and Jesus Christ, from there we get the spiritual powers that can tramp on snakes and cast out demons, and be able to think freely. God will NOT condemn us for using reason and sound mind to get to the truth, in a World where the lies and deceptions are so overhelming, be sure of one thing; Jesus understands us perfectly. As long as we try as best we can, longing and struggling for the truth and the correct interpretations, and act and adopt them when the Holy Spirit disclose them for us, there is no risk involved. God gave us a brain to use it.
«»I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.»2.» – John 14:17-18
Jesus will come to us AS the Holy Spirit, says John 14:18.
They can interpret the Bible out of proportions to lead the pilgrims astray, but they can not falsify the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of the Living Christ, living amongst us here and now, completely not in need of any ‘VICAR’ in Rome (RCC Pope).
Personally I question EVERYTHING that comes from RCC and Constantine at the Council of Nicea, and the «Trinity» is one of them. Catolisism is actually Babylonian, a mystery religion of iniquity, actually kabbalistic Judaism Light, Judaism for Christians, to lead Christians astray from the narrow road of Christ.
«For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.» – 1 Corinthians 2:16
We do not have the mind of the Popes and the powerbroker Constantine in the Nicean Council.
«When the Will of God is aligned with Man, than Man and God is One«. – JJ 21.03.2016
Christ broke/lifted the veil between the spiritual and the physical. The spirit of God incarnated.
«God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.» – John 4:24
The correct relationship of the ‘trinity’ is like this:
(The heavenly Father)
(the bodily man, living person, God incarnated His spirit into, and became One with)
(The Spirit of Christ after His bodily death, the Spirit rised and have eternal life, forever present in the physical).
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” C.S. Lewis
Jesus the man, the Son of God, was a man, a physical beeing, but the Spirit of Jesus Christ, was the Spirit of God, so in that sense Jesus Christ was God of this World (dimension), because God incarnated and lived in Him, giving Him creating powers. We are all supposed to open up for the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, to live in us. Than we become One with God through Jesus Christ.
«In the Great Gospel of John by Jacob Lorber [Roman Catolic] , the narrator, Jesus, explains that he is the creator of the material universe, which was designed both as a confinement of Satan, and so he could take upon himself the condition of a man. He says he did this to inspire his children who could otherwise not perceive him in his primordial form as a spirit. He gives descriptions of the eons of time involved in creating the Earth. He does so in a manner similar to the modern theory of evolution all the way up to the point several thousand years ago when Jesus placed Adam upon the Earth, which at the time contained man-like creatures who did not have free will, being simply the most clever of the animals.» [aka ‘Mark of the Beast]. «In comprehensive manner, the Great Gospel of John continually emphasizes the importance of free will. In this book, heaven and hell are presented as conditions already within us, expressed according to whether we live in harmony or contrary to God’s divine order.»
So what is God is for all Creation, Jesus Christ is for this World, according to the catolic mystic Jacob Lorber.
«The Imitation of Christ» by Thomas a-Kempis
But we do NOT become ‘God’ by that fact, because God lives in us. Far from it.
Spirit of God
It is true that all this three Spirits is One and the same. It is the Spirit of God. The One that was (and is) from the beginning, but Martin Luther was right; ‘Trinity’ is the wrong word to use, since it indicates that all three spiritual entitities are one and the same. Jesus become One with the Father by the baptism of the Holy Ghost (like all of us can be). ‘Trinity’ is open for misunderstandings and confusions. Not so. Too much in the Bible contravene that doctrine.
The Spirit of all this three is One, it is the Spirit of God the two others have. But that do not means it is the same ‘person’, because the Son can not sit on the right hand of Himself.
«So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God». – Mark 16:19
Through the Holy Spirit, we connect with Christ who is the gate to the Father (Abba).
«Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.» – John 14:6
Before Jesus Christ there was no Spirit of God materialized in the World. People was ruled from above by Laws, Laws of Moses.
From when we welcome the Holy Spirit into ourselves (baptized in the Spirit of the Holy Ghost, like a Dove that falls over us, and overtake our souls, minds and spirits), hence we can say, «I and God, through Christ are One» – «Christ lives in me», Galatians 2:20 (of One Spirit, one body; The Church, 1 Corinthians 12:27):
«I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me». – Galatians 2:20
«You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ». – Romans 8:9
Catolosism hijacked Luther
– by lies and deception, as normal. Because Martin Luther was never sure ‘trinity’ was a correct word to use in this instance.
(Catolic) David Lumpp (CTQ Vol 67 Jul/Oct 2003), lie and say Luther affirmed the catholic trinitarian theology. Catolics will try to get Luther on their doctrines, to hasten the ecumenical satanic One World Movement (with the Jews controlling RCC at the helm); New (anti-Christ) World Order.
The truth is that Martin Luther was not sure of the use of ‘Trinity’ as a word to give an actual expression of the relationship between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. And Luther was very right in his reservation as we shall see below.
Trinity was not in the 95 thesis.
«Therefore we cling to the Scriptures, those passages which testify of the Trinity of God, and we say: I know very well that in God there are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; but how they can be one I do not know, neither should I know it.»
Lest my detractors hurl accusations of ‘quoting out of context’, and/or ‘inaccuracy’ in my direction, I want to make it quite clear from the start that Luther WAS NOT questioning the ‘doctrine of the Trinity’; rather, he was advancing the notion that it is better to stick with Scriptural terminology, and refrain from non-Scriptural language. The following is the quote from the thread title in greater context:
(Martin Luther, «Sunday After Pentecost, or Trinity Sunday», in Sermons of Martin Luther, vol. 3, edited and translated by John Nicholas Lenker, Baker Book House reprint (n.d.) of The Precious and Sacred Writings of Martin Luther, 1907 edition, vol. 12, pp. 406-407 – bold emphasis mine.)
[NOTE: the 1907 edition is available online for free reading and/or download: LINK ; the page numbers in both editions are the same.*]
Elsewhere Luther comments on the inadequacy of the term «Trinity»: «The words trinitas, unitas are really mathematical terms. And yet we can’t talk about God without using such words. But at the same time, it is also true that when we use human language to speak about God, it seems to have a ring to it, a whole new connotation» [Complete Sermons of Martin Luther Volume 6, pp. 206-207]. «True [Trinity] is not choice German, nor has it a pleasing sound, when we designate God by the word ‘Dreifaltigkeit’ (nor is the Latin, Trinitas, more elegant): but since we have no better term, we must employee these» [Complete Sermons of Martin Luther Volume 4.2, pp. 7-8]. I’m sure a plentiful supply of similar sentiment from Luther could be brought forth as testimony to the fact he didn’t deny the Trinity, and also used the word positively.
Martin Luther, the German priest who initiated the Protestant Reformation, conceded, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (reproduced in The Sermons of Martin Luther, John Lenker, editor, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
Notice this admission in the New Bible Dictionary: “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, but received wide currency [common use in intellectual discussion] and formal elucidation [clarification] only in the 4th and 5th centuries” (1996, “Trinity”).
That same source goes on to explain that “the formal doctrine of the Trinity was the result of several inadequate attempts to explain who and what the Christian God really is . . . To deal with these problems the Church Fathers met in [A.D.] 325 at the Council of Nicaea to set out an orthodox biblical definition concerning the divine identity.” However, it wasn’t until 381, “at the Council of Constantinople, [that] the divinity of the Spirit was affirmed” (ibid.).
We see, then, that the doctrine of the Trinity wasn’t formalized until long after the Bible was completed and the apostles were long dead in their graves. It took later theologians centuries to sort out what they believed and to formulate belief in the Trinity!
Cyril Richardson, professor of church history at New York’s Union Theological Seminary, though a dedicated Trinitarian himself, said this in his book The Doctrine of The Trinity:
“My conclusion, then, about the doctrine of the Trinity is that it is an artificial construct . . . It produces confusion rather than clarification; and while the problems with which it deals are real ones, the solutions it offers are not illuminating. It has posed for many Christians dark and mysterious statements, which are ultimately meaningless, because it does not sufficiently discriminate in its use of terms” (1958, pp. 148-149).»
Theology professors Roger Olson and Christopher Hall explain part of the puzzle in their book The Trinity: “It is understandable that the importance placed on this doctrine is perplexing to many lay Christians and students. Nowhere is it clearly and unequivocally stated in Scripture . . . How can it be so important if it is not explicitly stated in Scripture? . . .»
“The doctrine of the Trinity developed gradually after the completion of the New Testament in the heat of controversy, but the church fathers who developed it believed they were simply exegeting [explaining] divine revelation and not at all speculating or inventing new ideas. The full-blown doctrine of the Trinity was spelled out in the fourth century at two great ecumenical (universal) councils: Nicea (325 A.D.) and Constantinople (381 A.D.)” (2002, pp. 1-2).
Returning to Wittenberg
Is God a Trinity?